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Lots to talk about once again, so let’s get started!

EPISODE BREAKDOWN

IMG_3134The Winx have tried every spell in their arsenal, even convergence. Nothing’s working. Rumpel’s invincible, and he still has Musa’s voice. Their only option is to trade for it.

Oh, but Rumpel won’t take just anything for the voice of a fairy. They must give him something equally valuable. The rarest thing they have is…the Legendarium Key. But how will they lock the Legendarium and beat the Trix without it?

The Winx need some time to deliberate, but Rumpel doesn’t wanna wait. He wants their decision now! Thankfully, Tecna manages to reason with the greedy dwarf. He gives them a day to make up their minds.

They return to the real world to an eagerly-awaiting Musa, whose hopes are immediately shot down. She dashes off to the Music Cafe in tears. That settles it. As her friends, they must get her voice back no matter what!

Musa tries to play her sorrows away on the piano. But suddenly, she’s accompanied by a symphony of instruments. It’s Roxy and the student musicians! They’ve come to cheer her up with a song to thank her for giving them the gift of music. The Winx come in and start dancing as soon as they hear the melody. When the song’s over, they give their friend a big hug. 🙂

Suddenly, the students’ instruments — which lost power when Musa lost her voice — regain their magic energy. Now they’ll able to protect Alfea once again! That song would make a great anthem for the school, as well as the perfect shield against the witches. But to bring out its full potential, the Winx will need a bigger performance — like a massive, outdoor concert! They start planning right way.

Meanwhile, Sky and Riven meet in Aisha’s gym for their duel. The prince tries to be diplomatic about it, but nothing will change Riven’s mind now. He’s determined to settle their rivalry once and for all.

Since he was the challenger, he lets Sky to choose the combat style: fencing. Morphix épées appear, and the two Specialists duke it out in what feels more like a fight to the death than a friendly match. Sky, being royalty, attacks more gracefully, while Riven strikes with anger and aggression. In the end, elegance trumps brute force.

Riven admits defeat. Sky will always be the leader of the Specialists, and he’ll always be standing in his shadow. If he wants to reach the top, he’ll need to make some big changes in his life.

IMG_3146At Cloud Tower, the Trix fuss at Selina for her failures. They’re tired of all her useless monsters, especially Rumpel, who won’t take orders. The young witch reminds them they got they wanted. Musa lost her voice, so Alfea’s still defenseless.

That gets their attention. If they wanna conquer Alfea, they must destroy those instruments. Now’s their chance.

They call the student witches to the dragon skull, where they keep the magic they’ve stolen, and grant them a new power: intangibility. Now direct spells won’t affect them. They’re practically invincible. Time to use it against the Winx!

Before Musa’s concert, Thoren and Daphne meet up on the lawn. She drops a few hints about what a perfect set up this is for — you know, two people getting together. 😛 The Paladin gets the message and asks her to be his date. Awwwww. 🙂 (Hey, it’s relevant for later.)

Faragonda introduces the new Music Cafe band, then the concert begins. The audience loves it, and the headmistress can tell there’s enough magic to protect Alfea. That’s a good thing, because just then, the witch army arrives to put it to the test! The Winx (minus Musa) transform, and along with the Specialists and Paladins, they attempt to fight back. But their attacks pass right through them!

Musa has an idea. If direct spells won’t work, maybe the magic of the instruments will. She leads the band in an encore of the anthem of Alfea and guides its energy right toward the witches. Sure enough, they can’t withstand it, and they retreat to Cloud Tower.

In the midst of the applause, Bloom notices Rumpel sneaking into the college. The Winx follow him to their dorm, where he tells them their time is up. Are they willing to give up the Legendarium Key for their friend?

Of course. Musa deserves to have her voice back after what she’s done to defend Alfea. They’ll find another way to beat the Trix. Rumpel takes the Key, then smashes the bottle containing her voice. The Fairy of Music’s finally able to speak again.

Just in time, too. How else would she have said goodbye to Riven?

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There’s someone important missing from this screenshot…

After losing to Sky and failing to protect her when she needed it, the Specialist knows he’s not the right guy for her. She deserves someone who can support her, as a warrior and as a boyfriend. Musa agrees. They just weren’t meant to be together.

“Goodbye, Musa.”

With those words, Riven leaves Alfea for the last time.

OVERALL THOUGHTS

It’s happened, ladies and gentlemen. Musa and Riven have finally broken up for real. If you’ve watched Winx Club as long as I have, you know how big a deal this is. Fans of this couple are still crying. Some of them are livid. And of course, the Internet’s been flooded with fan art and fan fics immortalizing this couple forever.

I said I was gonna give my honest opinion, so here’s a warning: I’m about to tick some of you off. Here I go: I’m glad these two broke up.

My feelings about them can be summed up by their couple nickname: “MuRi.” In Japanese, muri means “impossible,” “too difficult,” or “hopeless.” These two were never gonna make it, not with all the problems they had.

People often call them the most “realistic” couple — i.e., they fought a lot, which is what real couples do. There’s no such thing as a perfect romance. (Why do we always talk about the negative parts of “reality?” 😐 ) I partially agree. Of course, real couples argue but still love each other.

But there’s a difference between occasional spats — all the Winx couples have them — and verbal abuse, which Musa and Riven’s relationship was full of.

A verbally abusive person constantly yells at you, insults you, humiliates you in public, blames you for their behavior, monitors you, and intimidates you. They might also refuse to show affection toward you. It’s not just arguing with you. It’s trying to control you by manipulating your emotions.

Riven was verbally/emotionally abusive of Musa. When she didn’t do what he wanted, he’d mock her, insult her, make fun of her music (which is part of her identity), and even get up in her face and yell at her. (Think of all the times we’ve seen her in tears because of him.) In response, she’d threaten to leave him, so he’d briefly clean up his act. They’d get back together, then the cycle would begin again next season.

Blame the writers all you want, but his actions are still canon. A lot of fans tend to pardon him by saying he got better over the years, and in some ways they’re right. But those changes were just covering up the real problems. He’s never dealt with the internal issues that led him to treat Musa (and the others) terribly. Remember how he doesn’t trust women? It makes sense that his first relationship with one failed.

Bottom line: Riven’s got baggage. Like I said in his “Boys of Winx Club” post, he needs to deal with it before he can be a supportive partner. Whether he loves Musa or not doesn’t matter. He can’t properly show her right now. I think he realized that in this episode, and he left to get the help, clarity, or training he needs (whichever applies in this show).

Should Musa wait for him? No. Riven doesn’t own her. If a more supportive guy comes into her life, she’s free to fall in love with him. I’d love to see her in a happy relationship for once. Imagine what that would look like for her!

That said, I don’t think she should start looking right away. The breakup’s still fresh, and the emotional scars Riven gave her are still healing. She’s not in the right mental state right now. She could fall for just about anyone with a smile on his face!

I hope she stays single in season seven. She needs time alone to think about what she wants in a relationship and in her life. That also means if Riven’s gonna come back someday (it’s possible), I hope it doesn’t happen yet.

Okay, enough about them. The breakup was the most memorable moment in this episode, but it’s not the only thing that happened.

My favorite scene was the duel between Riven and Sky. To be honest, I loved this fight more than any other in this season. (Yeah, I know that’s sad. 😛 ) It felt like Nickbow put more thought into it. There was actual choreography, the pace was much faster, and I loved watching the guys’ expressions (especially Riven’s). I also loved the contrast between their behavior. Sky was calmer and more focused, while Riven was wilder and more aggressive, almost desperate at times.

To me, the duel highlighted the differences between them. Again as I said in Riven’s post, he’s a foil to Sky. This was a battle of humility vs. pride, patience vs. impulsiveness, and true leadership vs. a need for control. Sky won not just because he’s a better fencer, but because he represents the traits Riven lacks — at least for now.

The rest of the episode was pretty boring to me. I didn’t care for anything about the Music Cafe (except I’m glad Roxy got some attention). The fight against the intangible witches (more fifty-cent words) was just as lame as the others this season. The boys were no help as usual, and in the end, the Winx won with something silly: a song. Sigh.

Am I forgetting something? Oh, yeah. Rumpel has the Legendarium Key! Oh, no! 😕

Stella was right when she said the Key’s useless right now. They can’t lock the Legendarium till they know where it is! That’s why I wish they’d forged the Key later in the season (maybe even in this episode). It happened so soon, it feels like the thing was never important!

Verdict: Boring episode overall, but somewhat saved by Riven’s duel with Sky and his breakup with Musa, which capped off his time on the show nicely. Also gets points for sending him off in a memorable way.

Sayōnara, Riven. I may not have liked you, but it’s still sad to see a character who’s been around so long leave for good. You will be missed.

IMG_3149Next episode: “Legendary Duel.” This one made a lot of fans mad, too. What happens isn’t as big a change as Musa and Riven breaking up, but it could affect the show for a long time. (But considering who we’re talking about, you never know. 😕 ) Once again, I’m gonna be honest about my opinion, even though I know it’s not popular.

Stay tuned for the next review!

THOUGHTS WHILE WATCHING

  • I still don’t know why everyone’s relying on a bunch of instruments to protect Alfea, but…go, Musa. 😐
  • Rumpel, why do you want Musa’s voice? I know it’s beautiful, but…why?
  • Mythix Convergence? Why haven’t they done this before?
  • Geez, Rumpel’s strong! He could have made a better villain this season than the Trix! 😛
  • I’m getting sick of the rhyming.
  • I’m getting really sick of the rhyming! 😡
  • A bit of an old-school Winx moment there. Flora had to stop Bloom from doing something impulsive.
  • Don’t get mad at Stella. You were thinking about the Key, too, Bloom.
  • Eldora, you’re starting to annoy me. You have gotta be spying on the Winx!
  • And she left again without saying anything important. Sigh. Her wand really should have gone to Daphne or Roxy. =?
  • I’m getting really, really sick of the rhyming! He’s not even good at it!
  • Just by reasoning with Rumpel, Tecna was more valuable in this episode than she was in “A Monster Crush.” 😕
  • Poor Musa. 🙁
  • Weren’t you determined to get her voice back before? 😛
  • A surprisingly good point, Stella. Until you find the Legendarium, you can’t really lock anything, can you? 😛
  • Musa, sweetie, you’re breaking my heart. 🙁
  • Pretty song. 🙂
  • Roxy and the other students are cheering her up. Awwww! 🙂
  • This technically means Roxy saved the day, right? 😛 (And the other students, too.)
  • They were actually performing the song? If so, who was singing?
  • Weren’t they already planning to hold a concert? 😕
  • Riven vs. Sky! The final rumble! 😀
  • Sky, when is Riven ever not serious?
  • Riven: “People change, Sky!” And you’ve changed for the worst. 😕
  • A sword fight! It’s a real old-fashioned duel! 😀
  • Sky’s lecturing him on everything he’s doing wrong. It shows who’s the more level-headed of the two (and the true leader).
  • You don’t need Sky’s help losing, Riven? 😛
  • Why are you so obsessed with being better than Sky? You wanna change something? Change your attitude! 😡
  • Three episodes left in the season, and now you realize the Legendarium’s not helping you, Trix? 😛
  • Icy: “With power comes great responsibility.” And you’re the most irresponsible witches in the Magic Dimension. Learn your own lesson. 😛 (And isn’t that line from Spider-Man?)
  • The power in the dragon skull again? Did you just now remember it?
  • You just shot at them, and you knew they’d get blown away if the intangibility spell didn’t work. You three are terrible.
  • If this was such a good idea, why didn’t you use it on yourselves? 😕
  • Daphne, you’ve been a spirit for most of your…um, existence. When did you have the chance to listen to live music?
  • Why are you two so awkward all of a sudden? You’re already a couple!
  • Daphne just made him ask her out. Talk about going for what you want! 😛
  • You’re acting like this is your first “date.” (If it is, what happens at the end of the season is even more unbelievable.) 😕
  • Stella, it’s not like you’ve never performed live before. 😕
  • The Music Cafe Band? This is legit now? 😕
  • Nex can’t even cheer for Aisha, Roy? Yeah, you’re such a nice guy. 😕
  • Hearing Roxy be addressed separately from the Winx always stings a little. 🙁
  • I like the instrumental version of the anthem more. 😛
  • This is enough magic to protect the entire school? 😕
  • That transition to the battle scene was really awkward.
  • I didn’t know the Pixies were there. 😛
  • You’re gung ho today, Thoren. 😛 Are you upset the witches ruined your “date?” 😛
  • Why do the Trix keep sending newbie witches to do their dirty work? If they’d attacked Alfea themselves, this might have been over several episodes ago!
  • Right. Musa can’t transform without her voice. Lame limitation is lame.
  • Tecna happens to use the same uncommon word from the name of the spell. As something like “invincible” wouldn’t have come to mind first. 😛
  • Why does the song sound the same without the Winx band? 😐
  • Rumpel didn’t wanna wait for the Key, huh?
  • Are you serious, Stella? Get your priorities straight! 😕
  • They’re cheering for Roxy, too! 😀
  • Riven complimented you for once, Musa. I know you’re mad at him, but take what you can get from this guy. 😕
  • She deserves better? A surprisingly humble admission. All this time, you wanted to be as amazing as her? I wish that matched the rest of your behavior.
  • Was someone was recording the concert? How did it get on the…wait, why am I trying to make sense of Eldora’s babbling? 😡
  • Eldora’s one of the most useless characters in this season. 🙄
  • What exactly did Musa risk? She just stood on a stage and directed a song by a bunch of newbie fairies. 😕
  • That breakup was friendlier and more open-ended than I expected. Riven could come back one day, but like Musa said, this for the best.
  • Hagen?
  • Clearly, Tecna and Timmy aren’t gonna make it in time. What now, Winx?

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54 Responses to “My Thoughts on Episode 6X23: “The Anthem”

  1. 1. Um why the h**l wasn’t the breakup done in season 3? We knew then it wasn’t going anywhere why make Musa suffer an additional three years? 2. Roxy really needs to stop being adressed separately from the Winx, i can understand Daphne but really? Roxy needs to be adressed as a Winx. 3. This rhyming is driving me so insane it causes me pain. (Drat now i’m doing it and i didn’t even visit the town of blowfish that Ariel did in her show!)

    • I agree. Musa was already talking about breaking up with him back then, so that should have been a warning sign this wasn’t gonna work out. I think in real life, they would have broken up sooner.

      • I pretty sure in real life it would have been at that point a “Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.” situation then after some healing time she’d realize that Stella’s right about who’s the better guy, even if Stella wasn’t going about it the right way. Time for Musa to go find Jared or some guy like him.

  2. At least Riven said good bye. or should I say: Nick let him.
    Roy just dissapears and doesnt come back at all

      • I know but in the end, he leaves and he doesnt even say good bye. Just as soon as Aisha and Nex hold hands he is like gone
        🙁
        Im looking forward to your next review:)

  3. You’d think that after season four, they would stay together, right? I mean, it really looked like Riven was going all the way to clean up his act with the help of Nabu and Helia to win Musa back…and it eventually did! By season five, it really did seemed like he changed for the better. He did try to hide his secret guitar lesson for her and it was all in Musa’s head about the “cheating” thing, but he didn’t realy reverted back to his season one jerky way until season six. I mean, really?! yeah, I’m glad he’s gone, too, because of this. Good-bye and good riddance.

    Personally, I think the Trix should have combined both invisibility and intangibility spells together and attacked all of the schools! Seriously! Think of all things you could get away with this combo spell: Your enemies can’t see you and you can just waltz right in, steal whatever magic you want, wreck some havoc without getting hurt yourself, and just fly away!

    But I have to disagree with you on the music thing. I did enjoy it and thought it was clever of Musa to use the anthem against the intangible witches. I mean, how you fight something that you can’t touch? By fighting fire with fire…or in this case, intangible sound waves via her music against the intangible witches. They witches can’t be hurt by physical attacks, but they can still hear and that’s going to rattle their brains. 😀

    • Well, when I thought about it, she’s used music as a weapon like this before, back in season two. I guess it wasn’t so much what she did, but the fact that everyone was relying on her to protect Alfea, even before the intangibility spell came into play. And I don’t like the randomness of the Music Cafe or the magic instruments.

      If she had just used her voice (maybe amplified by Tecna like in ep. 5), I would have liked it more. This whole concert thing felt too contrived to me.

      • Yeah, that’s another thing I forgot to mention. I don’t like it when they state that without her voice, Musa couldn’t transform. That’s stupid. Magic should be something from inside their heart, not in their voices (or musical instrument). For a moment in this episode, I actually thought that they were going with that when Roxy and the others tried to cheer Musa up. With the instruments working again, they’ll realize that maybe it’s all powered by the magic in themselves. And maybe if Bloom and the others had gone to deal with Rupelstiltskin during the battle, Musa would probably had gotten her voice back in time to expel those witches like she did with Stormy back in S2. 😀

  4. I wasn’t too happy about the epic breakup, but I think it’s because Riven’s been in Winx since S1 and the show just doesn’t feel quite right without him fighting alongside the specialists. I’m gonna miss that rebel.
    I haven’t watched this ep in a while, and I don’t remember much about it aside from the breakup. But I thought Alfea had an anthem established back in S1 (or was that strictly 4kids?) and even if the didn’t, why would an anthem come up during the 6th season of the show anyway? And I think there should’ve been more to the Legendarium key, but what else could be put into it – I’m open to ideas!
    As for the last 3 eps, I’m looking forward to OP’s reviews, because the Bloom/Selina drama escalates (slight spoiler, but is that really a surprise?) and I’m curious to hear ur opinion

  5. After the end of every season I thought, has Riven changed? First episode of the season after I find the answer. Nope. I’m not as sad about Riven leaving as Nabu dieing because Riven’s rude and obnoxious. I think almost everyone was getting tired of him. Hopefully if he comes back his personality will change.

  6. I mostly disagree with this, true that Riven was an asshole on the audition episode but I think it was only or majorly in this chapter. He really said harsh things to her after her performance to Jason but I think that all those insults came up thanks to all the jealousy build up during the whole time. Musa showed up at the studio already angry at Riven and she acted very informally with jason in front of her boyfriend which I believe she knows that she was provoking him. Then all his emotions were at the edge and he simply exploded at her, true that he needs to learn to control his temper and jealousy but that’s something natural in relationships, afterall Musa felt that way on the next season and Bloom, Stella and Flora have already experienced it as well. As for “A verbally abusive person constantly yells at you, insults you, humiliates you in public, blames you for their behavior, monitors you, and intimidates you. They might also refuse to show affection toward you. It’s not just arguing with you. It’s trying to control you by manipulating your emotions.” Yell, they can both argue with a certain tone of voice but it has never come to the point of yelling; insult, he sinsulted her audition out of the jealousy; humiliates you , I don’t recall Riven humiliating Musa in public but I do remember the other way around, when Riven tried to get back with her during the rest of the season she kept constantly rejecting, yelling and humilliating him at the frutti bar; monitors your behave, Riven never blackmailed nor forced Musa to do something he wished, he let her make her own choices even if he didn’t agree with them; blames you, they both blamed each other for their relationship probs and as for intimidating Musa has always spoke her mind at him whenever they were arguying or not.
    I’ve always rutten for the couple, even if they’re not my favorite because of their realistic side, but not only for the discussion topic but for the communication and seriousness of the relationship and as for problems and argues I believe Bloom and Sky had more fights than these two… Hasn’t Bloom cried for Sky? Stella for Brandon in the same season and Flora for Helia? Everybody seems to point at the negative side of their relationship which is not much different from the others. Plus,I really don’t think that the creators named Musa and Riven thinking about their possible ship name, and even if they did I’m pretty sure that the last think they could imagine is a ship name with a japanese meaning instead the italian one LOL.

    • He really said harsh things to her after her performance to Jason but I think that all those insults came up thanks to all the jealousy build up during the whole time. Musa showed up at the studio already angry at Riven and she acted very informally with jason in front of her boyfriend which I believe she knows that she was provoking him. Then all his emotions were at the edge and he simply exploded at her, true that he needs to learn to control his temper and jealousy but that’s something natural in relationships, afterall Musa felt that way on the next season and Bloom, Stella and Flora have already experienced it as well.

      Whether Riven was jealous or not, it doesn’t excuse him for blowing up at her. Like you said, he needs to learn to control his temper. Yes, it’s natural to be angry and jealous at times, but not constantly. That shows a lack of trust in one another, and trust is essential for a healthy relationship.

      Also, Riven had a general anger management problem. He didn’t blow up just at Musa. Other people were targets of his rage as well when he didn’t get his way.

      And I disagree that Musa was provoking him. At that point, she didn’t even have “feelings” for Jason yet. He was just a man who was giving her the opportunity she’d been dreaming of. She was excited, but Riven saw that happiness as being “too friendly with him.” From how she reacted to his misbehavior, it was all innocent in her mind.

      “A verbally abusive person constantly yells at you, insults you, humiliates you in public, blames you for their behavior, monitors you, and intimidates you. They might also refuse to show affection toward you. It’s not just arguing with you. It’s trying to control you by manipulating your emotions.” Yell, they can both argue with a certain tone of voice but it has never come to the point of yelling; insult, he sinsulted her audition out of the jealousy; humiliates you , I don’t recall Riven humiliating Musa in public but I do remember the other way around, when Riven tried to get back with her during the rest of the season she kept constantly rejecting, yelling and humilliating him at the frutti bar; monitors your behave, Riven never blackmailed nor forced Musa to do something he wished, he let her make her own choices even if he didn’t agree with them; blames you, they both blamed each other for their relationship probs and as for intimidating Musa has always spoke her mind at him whenever they were arguying or not.

      Don’t treat this as a checklist. This was just a general description of verbal abuse, and just one of these behaviors, if done enough, can be harmful to a person’s emotional well-being. However, Riven was guilty of some of these behaviors:
      Insults: Again, you’re dismissing it by saying he was just jealous. It doesn’t matter why he did it. He still insulted her several times, and he knew he was doing it.
      Monitors you: I think you misunderstood what this meant. He was constantly watching how she behaved around other guys. Again, that shows a lack of trust.
      Blaming: As you said, they both blamed each other for their problems. Again, that shows the strain on their relationship. But as much as you’re blaming Musa for his actions, I think that proves my point. Even Nabu scolded him for blaming her at one point.
      Intimidating: Again, he would sometimes get up in her face during their arguments.
      Refusing Affection: Riven wasn’t a very affectionate person anyway, and he rarely told her he loved her.

      I’ve always rutten for the couple, even if they’re not my favorite because of their realistic side, but not only for the discussion topic but for the communication and seriousness of the relationship

      They may have fought realistically, but that’s all. If they were a real couple, they probably would have split up a while ago. They weren’t married or engaged, so there was nothing binding them to each other.

      I believe Bloom and Sky had more fights than these two… Hasn’t Bloom cried for Sky? Stella for Brandon in the same season and Flora for Helia? Everybody seems to point at the negative side of their relationship which is not much different from the others.

      Even if the other couples have fought more, their fights have never been as serious. They have more concern and respect for one another, so they were able to make up more easily. Musa and Riven’s relationship wasn’t like theirs at all.

      And the reason we focus on the negative side is because it was mostly negative, and the show focused on it. Of course, they had some sweet moments, but they were few and far between.

      Plus,I really don’t think that the creators named Musa and Riven thinking about their possible ship name, and even if they did I’m pretty sure that the last think they could imagine is a ship name with a japanese meaning instead the italian one LOL.

      The muri thing was something I thought up. I highly doubt the writers realized it themselves or did it on purpose, although they might find it interesting if they found out.

      • Even as a Riven fan I have never disagreed with your post. When you talked about the Winx boys, I said why I liked Riven and how I felt about his character. I see him as the bad boy who is capable of redemption and was close to it in season 5. He has had his good moments like in season 2 when he held Musa when she least expected and even took a hit for her. In season 3 he made his feelings clear after they fought leading up to crashing the wedding. I remember he even tried to apologize for saying to Musa that she was a bad driver even thought she wasn’t having it. They are a terrible couple because they are so mismatched and cannot seem to understand each other.

        But then that is why I love them and the angst that goes with waiting for them to work together as a couple and finally meet eye to eye. Season 6 taught me that they will never give Riven true redemption like I want for him. That’s something I have to face but still I find Scourge_of_the_Dessert a bit delusional in her love for Riven. He is a flawed and unhealthy character and while he tries in some instances, his negative attributes overwhelm any positives he may have. I will always love his character because he has come a long way and season 5 at least gave me a taste of what the redeemed Riven could be but unless they plan to make it a real thing he will never be good enough for anyone.

  7. As an honest to God Riven fan I felt that season 5 was his best season. That was the season where there was an actually continuation from a previous season and he didn’t fall back into his old habits. He was the good boyfriend and I thought they would keep it up so season 6 Riven was a total disappointment to me all around.

    I would not be upset if Musa moved on. That’s a fact of life. People change and so do their interest and needs. My ex of 8 years and I are still friends but we are not the same people we were at the beginning. We don’t want to same things or have the same interests. I just don’t want to have a Riven replacement the way Roy turned out to be Nabu 2.0. This guy needs to be nothing like Riven at all. Unless of course Riven comes back a whole new person in which case they can’t let him fall back to his old habits.

    My thing is if you bring him back changed then make it stick this time and for the love of God not another love triangle! As for the episode on a whole. Boring… just boring.

  8. OP, were you surprised that Musa and Riven finally broke up? I mean I always believed all of these couples are permanent and ‘made for one another’. So, when this happened I couldn’t believe Nickbow made such a bold move.
    You always wanted this to happen. So don’t you think Nickbow deserves some credit for finally taking this step?

    • I can’t say I’ve always wanted this to happen. I’m just glad it did. I would have had no problem with Musa and Riven staying together if he’d finally gotten his act together.

      That said, I agree this was a bold move. We’re so used to seeing these couples together, we do think they’re permanent. It almost makes their relationships feel stagnant. But the truth is the Winx could find other guys they’d love just as much. Bloom dated Andy before she met Sky. What if Helia and Krystal had become a couple? Flora could have found someone else. And let’s not even get started on Aisha. 😛

      It’d be strange to see Musa dating someone other than Riven, but in real life, it’s completely normal. Most people don’t marry their first loves.

      • Speaking of Aisha, when is she ever going to have a relationship that doesn’t end badly? Nabu died protecting the universe,Roy didn’t even say goodbye and I can already tell that at some point something will happen to Nex. I know it won’t happen right away but within a year knowing Aisha’s track record of guys something could go so wrong… but yes the Winx could find other guys (and both Bloom and Musa should, I honestly wonder with all of Sky’s crap how Bloom can put up with him sometimes, irl i’m sure that after season 5 Bloom would’ve called the engagement off since they keep having the same fights about any time one of them even so much as looks at another member of the opposite sex they think the other’s cheating (and unfortunately srason 5 would confirm Bloom’s suspicions since that Diaspro plot was for revenge more than anything else) or can’t handle themselves without the other, which Sky should know better considering how many times Bloom’s saved his hide.

        • I wanna believe Rainbow’s done messing up Aisha’s love life. If they killed Nex off, too, or had him and Aisha break up, it would just be ridiculous. Would any of us care who she dated after that? We’d think every guy who came into her life was temporary (we already kinda do). 😕

          After seven seasons, she deserves to settle down and have a stable relationship. That’s one reason why I hope she and Nex stay together. I think there are some signs he might be “the one.” Remember the corresponding meanings of their names (“life and death”)? That feels really intentional. Also, unlike Aisha’s relationships with Nabu and Roy, her relationship with him developed more gradually. She and Nabu weren’t even together a year before they got engaged, then he died. She barely spoke to Roy in season five before they suddenly looked like they were gonna kiss, but he didn’t become her boyfriend. If Rainbow doesn’t speed her relationship with Nex up, and they stay in the same stagnant mode as the other couples, that could be a sign they’re meant to be together for a while — maybe even permanently.

          That said, I’m still worried about him. You never know what Rainbow’s thinking. And like you said, Aisha has a terrible track record.

          As for Bloom, I honestly don’t care about her and Sky at this point. I wouldn’t mind if they got married, but their relationship doesn’t excite me anymore. If they split up, I’m not sure I’d care about that either. They’re just so…dull.

          Like you said, they do keep having the same fights. You’d think that have gotten over them by now, but I don’t blame it completely on Sky. Why Bloom doesn’t trust him with Diaspro by now is beyond me, so her doubts in season five were silly.

          • I really hope you’re right that Nex is the one for Aisha. Bloom and Sky at least Bloom’s willing to admit there’s a problem, but if it persists, she should call the engagement off and go back to Andy. We don’t know what the breakup was and Andy still seemed interested in her so it probably had something to do with Bloom being worried about a long distance relationship.

          • I think it’s safe to say Aisha and Nex are doing great right now and there are no signs of them breaking up soon. If they do break it off I’m going to stop investing in any of her relationships.

          • Exactly. What would be the point after two (and a half) failures? If her relationship with Nex doesn’t work out (or worse, he dies), I’m gonna start wanting her to stay single like some other fans do.

          • “What would be the point after two (and a half) failures? If her relationship with Nex doesn’t work out (or worse, he dies), I’m gonna start wanting her to stay single like some other fans do”

            Really? Because in real life relationships not always work and usually it takes more than two attempts to find the right one. Now, if he dies, I think it could mean that Aisha’s love life is doomed and the writers don’t want her to find a permanent love interest. I hope nothing happens to him and he and Aisha can live a happy life together.

          • That’s if we were being realistic. But this is a fantasy cartoon. Almost all the couples have been dating their first loves for four or more years and haven’t even considered seeing anyone else, and only one couple is engaged. Another breakup/loss for Aisha wouldn’t seem like the writers were just being realistic. It’d look like — as you said — her love life is doomed.

          • Winx Club has surprised us a lot of times with some realistic stuff. Also, have almost all the couples really been dating their first loves? Nabu died, therefore Aisha doesn’t date him anymore, instead she dates Nex. Bloom’s first love was Andy and she is along Sky now. Musa and Riven just broke up in this episode and Musa may get a new love interest. And honestly I doubt Brandon is Stella’s first boyfriend, in fact she talked about a boy she liked when she was a child but as far as I remember nothing happened between them. Timmy and Helia are perhaps Tecna and Flora’s first loves, but those two are not almost all the Winx.

          • Hmmmmm…that’s true. I guess it is just Flora and Tecna. Stella? I don’t know. She had a crush on the boy you mentioned, but he already had a girlfriend. Brandon might be her first boyfriend, especially since she’s a princess and the rules of courtship are different. We don’t know if she would have been allowed to date that boy.

            But as you said, Bloom, Aisha, and now Musa are no longer with their first loves. Rainbow took it a step further with Aisha and Musa by also introducing love interests they didn’t end up dating (Jared, Roy, and — as I’ve heard — Orlando). That’s very realistic as well. Not everyone you meet is gonna be “the one.”

  9. Honestly? Aside from the numerous weaknesses of S6 as a whole, this was one of my favorite moments in the series. Not because I particularly hate Riven or Musa, but because I honestly think that this was one of THE most mature and realistic things that Winx Club has ever done with character development.

    We pretty much constantly get spoon-fed the frankly BS, but idyllic demonstrations of “the perfect relationship,” where every character has an attractive guy on her arm, or guys lusting after her, the arguments are few, the pair always [or nearly always] gets along, and there’s lots of sugary sweetness whenever they get screen time together. Which is alright for a show aimed at younger ones, but I like the additions of more mature ideals that jive better with the fact that the Winx are adults, like the tense love-triangle between Sky, Bloom, and her ex, Andy in S4. Riven and Musa’s relationship was one of these less-idyllic but realistic additions.

    To be completely frank, even knowing Riven’s history from the original RAI version of the show, I still don’t find his actions throughout their relationship excusable. He was controlling, aggressive, sometimes unsympathetic, stubborn, and cold. [Granted, Musa shares some of these qualities, being quite stubborn and aggressive herself sometimes] Musa and Riven’s relationship has always seemed toxic to me, and having been through and witnessed loved ones going through abusive relationships, theirs isn’t far from the mark. Abuse isn’t always wearing your scars in the form of remnants of physical violence. –– Both parties were responsible in their own ways for the failure of the relationship, but from the get-go, it seems as though Riven instigated a lot of the tension. However, I will say that in regards to his emotional issues, I LOVE that when it came time for him to leave, he said he was going to work on himself, and seemed genuine, which is a fantastic and somewhat subtle line.

    Long story short, I love that they broke up. Again, not because I dislike either character, in fact I hope we see Riven again someday, but this teaches viewers young and old a valuable lesson about love and relationships. Not every relationship can be salvaged just because one or both of you want it to. Sometimes things just don’t work out because they aren’t meant to, and that’s the time where you have to come to the conclusion that if it isn’t emotionally healthy for you anymore, you have to call it quits for the better. That doesn’t mean you have to hate your ex and never speak to them again, but it does mean that a more intimate relationship with them just isn’t wise. I hope to see more write-ins with this level of maturity in the future.

  10. This might not be that great of an episode. But it is definitely better than Season 5 Episode 23 🙂
    And I must say that for Nick these recent episodes are really ok 🙂

  11. I watched this episode and I did not find that break-up sad. I found it…heartwarming, I guess? It was peacefully resolved. Nothing to be sad about. I know the scene itself was meant to be sad, but it’s more bittersweet.

    I disliked when people called Musa and Riven’s relationship the most realistic because they fight. Yes, everybody fights with the people they love from time to time, but those fights should be minimal. If fights are taking up half of your relationship, it’s not healthy.

    I had a relationship like that I recently came out of. It took somebody else’s help to realize that wasn’t healthy. I stayed with this person because when we didn’t fight and got along, it felt great and I thought that was worth the fights. Arguments don’t ever feel good, but you shouldn’t be left questioning yourself and made to feel you’re always the one at fault. If I ever tried to bring up the matter, it’d somehow be turned around on me and I was in the wrong for telling him it was inappropriate or he would ignore me completely. He pretty much thought he was faultless. And, like Musa, I went back to him multiple times. That alone is a sign of a problem.

    Their break-up was long overdue and it needed to happen. It was allowed in the best way. I do hope Musa gets another chance if she wants because everyone is deserving of love, but right now is not the time for it. That’s what led me into the relationship I described above.

    • This is speculation (I could be wrong), but I bet a lot of the folks who support Musa X Riven haven’t ever been in this kind of relationship. They don’t understand the emotional trauma it can cause. Granted, I haven’t experienced this either, but I felt sorry for Musa. Like you said, an argument shouldn’t leave questioning yourself and feeling like you’re always at fault. Even strange, some fans try to shift the blame completely off of Riven and onto her!

      Maybe they loved this couple because they wanted it to work out, despite the constant fighting. I would have been happy if it had, but now that it failed, I’m not surprised. I don’t think the MuRi fans should be, either.

  12. As a Riven fan I’m upset that he left [maybe] for good.
    However, I liked that he and Musa finally broke up. I am one of the fans who think Musa and Riven’s is the most realistic relationship in the show, and real couples break up, especially the ones like theirs because, even being a Riven fan, I have to admit he was an abusive boyfriend and unhealthy to Musa [even though I disagree with all of the “yells at you, insults you, humiliates you in public, blames you for their behavior, monitors you, and intimidates you. They might also refuse to show affection toward you. It’s not just arguing with you. It’s trying to control you by manipulating your emotions” part, I don’t think Riven has done even half of that, and the part of “They might also refuse to show affection toward you”, well, there are people who find hard to show their emotions, but as you said, just one of these behaviours can be considered as verbal/emotional abuse.]

    Honestly I’d have liked it more if it was Musa who decided to break up, but I like the current way it happened too, it was nice that Riven figured out his flaws and decided that Musa deserves someone better. I really hope he come back some day but I don’t want him to come back with Musa [unless he’s changed a lot and is worthy of her], I’d like Musa to stay single for a while and then get a new love interest, or maybe stay single for good and it would be nice if Riven got a new love interest too.

    As for the rest of the episode, hmm… it was as boring as most of the season, and I find silly that Musa can’t transform without her voice when the Winx have transformed in earlier seasons without any word.

    • By the way, now I wonder if Musa and Riven’s relationship was meant to fail since the very beginning, i.e. if the writers planned it to fail or if they designed it specifically to have a break up since it was in the writers’ minds.

    • Wow, a new love interest for Riven, too? I think you’re the first Riven fan I’ve ever heard say that. All the rest have been saying, “Musa or nobody!” 😛 May I ask why you think he should get a new girlfriend? I’m curious. 🙂

      • Well, it’s quite probable that Musa gets a new love interest and I think Riven deserves another chance too. Also, maybe Musa and Riven weren’t meant to each other but it doesn’t mean they can’t be happy with someone else. I’d really love to see Musa and Riven together but not if it’s gonna hurt Musa and I wouldn’t mind to see them in another relationship.

        • I agree. This relationship didn’t work out, but that doesn’t mean Riven can’t find someone else. It seems like he learned something from this, so he may treat his next girlfriend better.

          • We talk a lot about Riven but I hope Musa learned something too. Despite my love for this character, she has her own hangups and I hope they don’t carry on into her next relationship. Musa’s biggest problem has always been trust and I find it hard to be motivated in a relationship when the trust isn’t all there (speaking from experience. It can really dishearten you and make you feel super defensive). She made an attempt in season 2 and it got her a charmix but she never did improve. Her need to argue instead of compromise is also not her greatest strength. While Riven takes the cake for being the worst Winx boyfriend I feel we tend to leave it all in his lap and ignore Musa’s hangups too. One thing about Bloom and Sky, when they fight, they usually head straight into ‘lets talk it out’ and they get that they are both pig headed. Musa goes from a fight to lets break up and I don’t think she really understands the boy she likes. I’m not trying to distract from Riven’s behavior but I also find that the fan base can be rather one sided and Musa comes out clean in this one.

          • That’s fair. I agree it’s not entirely Riven’s fault, but quite a bit of it was. On the flip side, the more passionate Musa X Riven fans sometimes try to pass all the blame on Musa, saying she triggered Riven’s behavior. That disturbs me. 😕

  13. To be honest, I really don’t approve of the breakup… and that’s because everything felt so FORCED. Riven’s behavior, for example… It had no realistic explanation.
    It’s all just repeated drama that I thought had already passed in earlier seasons, but it seems this is just another thing Nickbow decided to put on rerun.

  14. Uh-uh. UH-UH!!! The writers did NOT do that! I LOVED them, and STILL do! Is he ever coming back, OP?

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  15. I’m seriously praying that Nick lets her stay single or hooks her up with a minor character and then brings Riven back at the end of Season 7 fresh, changed, and with his act together FOR REAL. PLEASE NICKBOW. PLEEEEAAAASSSEEEE. I couldn’t stand watching Winx and not seeing them together. It’s upsetting me just talking about it. What if I can’t watch Winx Club anymore??? That would be horrible. :*(

  16. I never really liked Riven because of this back in season one when Riven gets knocked onto the ground next to Bloom and Stella.
    Riven: *groans or something like that* Girls!
    Me: I’m a girl…
    Regardless of his opinions of the female gender, he was not a supportive partner, was an unstable person, and needed to get over…whatever exactly happened in his past before he can come back and date Musa. (But then he’ll probably see something and misinterpret it and go full-on season four…)

  17. I’ve just watched this episode again, and I realized that when Musa, Roxy and the students was about to release sound waves (from the song) to attack the intangible witches, I heard someone said: “Now!”, and it was definitely Liliana Mumy’s voice (Roxy’s voice actress). It was really Roxy who saved the day!

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